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Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

digitalman333 — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:55:59 -0000

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Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

digitalman333 — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:53:28 -0000

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Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

barneyc — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:16:26 -0000

Dan - I'm not going to defend Twitters choice of protocol or server architecture. To be honest the underlying protocol doesn't / shouldn't matter as long as it lays on top of HTTP. If you ignore the rather flaky social tool that is Twitter and look at the concept of building a simple messaging platform with routing, an open api and the ability for it to be utilised for social and application messaging then Twitter isn't bad.

Does that mean they were right to go off and try to reinvent the wheel - no, IMHO they should have really gone down the Jabber route and laid source based routing on top.

And you know I prefer Jaiku (as a social tool) right?

Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

barneyc — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:10:36 -0000

Okay - again let's separate out Twitter into the two core 'things'

The social application - you're right it doesn't support threading, has some scaling problems

The platform - is more than capable of supporting threading, extends brilliantly using HTTP

I think the real problem is that so many people see Twitter as a single (and limited) use application, not a demonstration of how an application can be built over a messaging platform.

Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

danlane — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:07:53 -0000

I'm not convinced, Barney.

What was described is XMPP, a messaging platform for applications or services that just happens to be really good at IM. If Twitter had been built on top of an existing XMPP platform it probably wouldn't have had so many issues later in life.

I have intimate knowledge of the Odeo platform that these guys built before Twitter and that had some really shoddy architecture! Given it's performance I'd take an educated guess that Twitter started out as a similar collection of hacks and hasn't fared well since.

It's a shame that so many people still use Twitter, it's userbase is it's only strong point! If they all moved to Jaiku (which, admittedly has had it's own share of growing pains but has restored SMS and IM functionality) we'd all be much better off!

Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

mostlythis — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:34:03 -0000

twitter is about as hardcore a platform as a bridge of flumps.

its lovely - but its over capacity/down half the time
it cant cope with conversations/comments
and its not great at extending beyond pure html devices.

i still love it - but its not a do it all thing.

Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

barneyc — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:19:37 -0000

Not sure it's worth the effort trying to reason this out but hell let's give it a go...

From the conversations I've had over the last couple of years it is apparent that Twitter was designed to provide a messaging platform for applications/services - the first use case of which was Twitter as we know it, a social IM if you like. Twitter have grown the service (IM) to the point where it has stress tested the infrastructure to and beyond breaking point, gone back and rearchitected / fixed / tweaked / whatever so as to get things as robust, stable and scalable as possible.

I don't think the guys there ever anticipated the platform's primary use as the IM it essentially is, rather as a service orientated message routing platform with cool things like source based routing built into the syntax.

Now that isn't to say that i) the current interface is anything but crap, or ii) that A.N.Other company cannot utilise the platform to build a better service.

To that end applications like Tweetdeck go a long way to solving the first problem of UX.

I'm by no mean qualified to critique Twitter's technical architecture or protocols but looking at it as an ecosystem enabling messaging platform I reckon it has legs in it yet.

Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

barneyc — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:11:17 -0000

It's why we love him

Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

smstextnews — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:05:16 -0000

Can't wait 'til we unleash him...

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Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

bensmith — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:33:05 -0000

Dan, Dan... so very angry... :-)

Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

danlane — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:06:51 -0000

Now that Twitter has no IM and no SMS it means there is no usable interface for me. I'm not running another app just for twitter. They need to architect their stuff properly or just fuck off.

Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

barneyc — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:01:22 -0000

Palringo is by no means a "Twitter killer" the two are fundamentally different. You all know my views on Palringo - it's is a wicked instant messenger. The fact that Twitter allows for IM like functionality belies it's actual power. Twitter is a hardcore messaging platform, designed to support third party services.

Re: Palringo is rocking away; still a Tweet killer

TerenceEden — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:14:53 -0000

"You want the ability to take a pic and send it into one of your lifestreams and have folk be able to see it immediately. That’s what Palringo will do"

Interestingly, that's one of the main reasons I no longer use www.twitter.com. I use the mobile sites like dabr.co.uk and twitstat which show images in line and un-shorten URLs.