Mobile Industry Review - Latest Comments in MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Patryk — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:31:30 -0000

Well, the use of RAZRs is a scandal, but N73s? They are considered rather good here actually, though certainly not the cream of the crop (N95 and Omnia are regarded as such). I own an N73 since March '08 and I'm rather satisfied. It surely would benefit from more RAM or on demand paging, but it suits my needs and I was able to afford it when I needed a new phone. You guys will probably be disappointed if you come here, mobile internet seems to be the domain of businessmen. The prices aren't great and normobs aren't too conscious about it.

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Mike42 — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:27:27 -0000

...and is this the newer, handsomer Dan 2.0? contacts?

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Ewan — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:20:48 -0000

Mr McNab is an investor in GoSpoken... you never know!

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Mac Morrison — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:26:45 -0000

google maps isnt perfect either...
http://hellog1.tumblr.com/p...
some streets are wrong on it - not much help!!

also i prefer the actual detail in the nokia maps zoom - compared to the google maps.

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Ant Carroll — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:44:59 -0000

Could we not somehow bring Andy McNab into the mix? In return for doing his Jack Bauer thing GoSpoken could get lots and lots of coverage! :D

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Ewan — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:52:58 -0000

I'd do Kabul if you all sponsored us, Ant.

So we can hire some SAS chaps to run point.

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Ant Carroll — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:59:28 -0000

So many things to digest... There's my N73 rotting away in a draw when in Italy it'd be the creme-de-la-creme and how absolutely useless Nokia Maps is at... well anything! Why couldn't Nokia have bought up tomtom instead? I want a brand spanking new version of tomtom City Maps and I want it now!

As for next MIR city... hmm Kabul perhaps? There's quite a few interesting mobile stories there to uncover!

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Mike42 — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:00:27 -0000

Agree.

TomTom or any other similar thing, sub-£100, latest maps pre-installed, decent size screen, power leads and bracket included = fit for purpose.

Google Maps for visiting some place you've never been, finding out places to go, what's near = fit for purpose.

Needing an aftermarket bracket to clamp your mobile to your windscreen, cable to power the thing, an OS that will interrupt with SMS/Calls etc just when you need to concentrate on the directions, compromised GPS antenna placement, tiny screen, need to download latest maps = not fit for purpose.

Nokia Maps = poorly-executed geek-driven (we did it because we can!) mashup of the worst of the mobile and satnav worlds, in an incomprehensible package.

Wonder why the masses have ignored Nokia Maps?

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

SMSblack — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:16:13 -0000

Me too :)

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alakran1013 — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:09:33 -0000

i was just being a wise ass. :)

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

TerenceEden — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:38:05 -0000

One of the reasons you saw so many older handsets is to do with the market pricing. Something like 90% of Italian mobile users are on PAYT. If you'd popped into any shops, you'd see that subsidises aren't as generous.

So, it becomes very expensive to get a new & cool phone when you're paying the true cost of it!

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

SMSblack — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:19:42 -0000

Edgar - it was a Saturday. Although I'm sure he had one with him just in case of emergencies ;-)

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Ewan — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:13:02 -0000

I get your reasoning Steve -- but I don't think Nokia Maps is consumerfied enough. If I was in that position I'd much, much prefer TomTom.

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

stevelitchfield — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:04:11 -0000

Yes, but next time you're on the A34 heading towards some God forsaken back street in Swindon, amidst heavy traffic, Nokia Maps will talk you through getting there in real time, whatever wrong turnings you have to take. Google Maps will... distract you from the road and kill you 8-)

As I say, I'm a fan of both, though. Your use case was definitely a sweet spot for GM. And yes, NM's POI search engine could be a lot better, but v3,0 is just around the corner, so who knows?

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Ewan — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:57:09 -0000

Or, given our experience, you simply erase Nokia Maps from your handset and you can relax with Google Maps.

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Ben Smith — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:46:19 -0000

Fair comment, but I was stood within 500 yards of the Colosseum typing
'Colosseo' (copied directly off the sign in front of me) and it still took
an age to search and offered other things first.

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Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

stevelitchfield — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:38:37 -0000

Yep, postcodes make things 10x faster for searching. They do have postcodes in Italy, of course, but a tourist wouldn't know them. Again making Nokia Maps a bad tool for the job. You'd use NM where someone had given you a written address to navigate to (usually by car). You'd use GM if you were a pedestrian tourist for the day(!) stuck in a strange city where you didn't know any postcodes or even how to spell half the things you were looking for.....

8-)

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

alakran1013 — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:09:15 -0000

omg Ben Smith without a tie!?

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Ben Smith — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:52:55 -0000

Which would be fine if it located streets well (or quickly). The online searching is painfully slow.

In the UK postcodes make the process much easier, but for overseas use where you don't know (or there aren't any) such identifiers makes it a pain.

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

stevelitchfield — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:37:32 -0000

Yes, sounds about right. But bear in mind that Nokia Maps is a street-based real-time navigation package with POIs bolted on. Google Maps is a POI-based mapping package with no real-time navigation component at all.

Different apps for different purposes, though there is some overlap. Like you, I always travel with both on hand 8-)

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Ewan — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:44:57 -0000

It didn't do what it's supposed to do. I daresay it's brilliant for helping you around London. But as Ben points out, it was wholly pathetic for helping us navigate a city new to us. Spanish Steps? No. Colosseum? No. Any restaurant we were suggested or could find listed? No. Rubbish. Not fit for purpose.

Well, let me qualify that. If you want to get from Tottenham Court Road to Charlotte Street with turn by turn directions and you've got a few minutes to spend sodding about with Nokia Maps, it'll work brilliantly.

Anything else? Google Maps is about a trillion miles in front.

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Ben Smith — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:30:10 -0000

Yes - it was searching (very slow) and POI detail and accuracy that was poor. I was on 3 (like home) 3.5G connection.

Even when you realised that everything had to be done in Italian it couldn't find major landmarks or restaurants.

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

stevelitchfield — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:21:18 -0000

Interesting. What do you mean by 'fell flat'? For what it's worth, Nokia Maps is faster than Google Maps at finding my location here in the UK. But yes, Google Maps is better at finding 'popular' things, I suspect its databases are wider and fuzzier 8-)

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

Ewan — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:33:11 -0000

Oh no, Ben had perfect roaming data courtesy of 3.

It's a complete unmitigated 100% Nokia-Maps-is-Bollocks FAIL, Steve. And we've got it on camera and it's priceless, absolutely priceless. We put Nokia Maps next to Google Maps. Literally my N95 8GB on Google Maps, his N82 on Nokia Maps. Both with 3G data connections. And we searched for 'Spanish Steps'.

Guess which one worked in about 5 seconds and which one fell flat on it's fat arse? ;-)

Re: MIR Show goes to Rome and finds locals using N73s

stevelitchfield — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:14:25 -0000

So what was Ben's problem? I'm guessing it was nothing to do with Nokia Maps and a lot to do with not having a SIM with roaming data? Without data, he'd have had to preload the maps and also have to wait ages because Assisted GPS wouldn't work.

As long as there's data, Nokia Maps is superb....