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Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

James Whatley — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:16:41 -0000

Then I shall most definitely take another look...

Cheers Mike.

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Guest — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:52:30 -0000

Agree, It's not how many Megapixels you've got, it;s how you use them. I've seen the pics from the device. Not impressed. N82 would beat the crap out of it.

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Mike42 — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:37:30 -0000

Yup. If there's no GPS, it will let you manually enter in a postcode, address, town, suburb, etc. It will then place the image on your map, centered on that location, which is good enough for many.

But the cool thing is where it guesses based on CellID. It will automatically suggest tags based on CellID before you upload the image. So if you are on the banks of the Thames at Waterloo and take a snap, chances are ZoneTag will suggest tags like 'London Eye' or 'Houses of Parliament' or 'Dali Elephant'.

The flipside of this is that in Tagmaps, you zoom in on a spot and can see what it was others tagged, in a tag-cloud way. So without ever being there you can see what is popular/attractive in an area.

So if you had never been oop noorth or heard of Mr Gormley, you could browse over to here and check the place out.

This has built up over the life of Flickr, and now surely must be a massively useful resource. Yahoo haven't really done anything with it...yet....

Here's what ZoneTag saves into the EXIF data:

zonetag [x]
cameraphone [x]
London [x]
England [x]
zip:SW11 2 [x]
United Kingdom [x]
geotagged [x]
celltagged [x]

machine tags (7)
geo:city=London [x]
geo:state=England [x]
geo:zip=SW11 2 [x]
geo:country=United Kingdom [x]
geo:lat=51.466283 [x]
geo:lon=-0.169723 [x]
cell:cgi=234-20-1233-134295388 [x]

And here's what ShoZu saves:

geotagged [x]
ShoZu [x]

machine tags (2)
geo:lon=-0.47848 [x]
geo:lat=51.35104 [x]

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

James Whatley — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:59:24 -0000

Ok I getcha now.

Zonetag uses MORE than just GPS, is that what you're saying?

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Mike42 — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:31:46 -0000

But my Zonetagged images appear perfectly positioned on my Flickr map - which is what I'm after. If you don't have your GPS running with ShoZu, you get zip (and I don't mean code either).

Zonetag puts the info into the 'Machine Tags', which are a pseudo-standard subset of the EXIF data AFAIK (AKA 'Triple tags')

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

James Whatley — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:18:31 -0000

That's just it - ZoneTag AND LocationTagger both embed the GeoTags in the EXIF.

ShoZu doesn't. Shozu embeds into the 'machine tags'.

Flickr currently only acknowledges the latter.

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Vlad Bobleanta — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:17:09 -0000

Ericsson. Sony Ericsson. I know Sony itself is a big brand, but still. It's Sony Ericsson. It's Sony who have the sexy brands, and Ericsson who build the devices. :)

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Mike42 — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:09:12 -0000

A quick primer is here.

Embeds into the EXIF data. I'm not sure if that also counts for 'guess my location' which uses CellID (Flickr/Yahoo! have a massive CellID db from years of Zonetag users - see http://tagmaps.research.yah... for an example of the usefulness of this).

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Ben Smith — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:50:13 -0000

hear hear

In fact it should be a policy enforced by a team of heavies with carte blanche to re-educate anyone who needs it with a stick.

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

James Whatley — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:39:50 -0000

Where does ZoneTag 'put' the GeoTags? I tried ZoneTag once, I think I liked it...

TBH - The only reason I jumped to ShoZu from SOv3 was because the latter really does not get on with my VF connection. It never has.

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Mike42 — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:30:19 -0000

I feels me a GeoShowDown a-comin mister...

1) ShoZu don't allow me to mark posts either Private or Public before uploading. Big issue for a dad.
2) ShoZu don't try to guess or allow manual location entry - you gotta have the GPS running. Hopeless IMHO, what with all this CellID & WiFi love flowing around.

Geotagged me a wee storm with ZoneTag this arvo. No dice with ShoZu.

AND, ShoZu doesn't let me mark images/vids I DON'T want to upload as 'not new', so I always have to go through and manually select them instead of just uploading all. Pushr on the iPhone gets this right. I mean, they are really making this hard...

GeoTags at 20 paces, sir?

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

James Whatley — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:20:04 -0000

SO3 doesn't incorporate automatic uploads + you *can* look at other folk Flickr streams in ShoZu, you just have to add the ones you want.. Plus the geo-tagging actually works with Flickr.

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Mike42 — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:10:33 -0000

I dunno, SO3 looked tasty to me. The Flickr integration beats ShoZu IMHO. Loved the wee embedded refreshing images. I think others will too. Nokia need to bring that to the home screen. Imagine your & friend's latest Flickr images on your home screen, refreshing? Way to drive engagement. Nice.

n.b. copyright me, that one.

n.n.b got my ZoneTag / Fire Eagle Mojo working now. Watch this Geotagged space....

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

James Whatley — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:06:36 -0000

Stopped using Share Online 3 months ago. S'all about the ShoZu.

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Mike42 — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:27:06 -0000

...But actually, regardless of all the measurabating in that release, the exciting thing for me is the fact it's got WiFi in it. Will this mean automatic upload to Flickr à la Eye-Fi? Or Facebook?

I would get the phone just for that. Yes James, ShareOnline 3 can do it as we saw on the weekend, but, well, you know, 5 seconds to start up & 4 seconds between images is just too long....

Do tell.....

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Ben Smith — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:02:52 -0000

Yawn. 8MP is the new 6MP - Nokia said they have them in the pipeline yesterday. It's the quality of the images produced that matters... not just the resolution.

I'd be more impressed with 3MP and a decent flash in a slim form factor if it could match, say, the N82's quality (which is a bit of a fat-boy).

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Ewan — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:59:04 -0000

I will consult the publisher

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Mike42 — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:55:48 -0000

Can we pleeeeeeeese get a new entry to the SMSTextNews manifesto:

"We don't care about Megapixels It's all about quality and most importantly, usability. Don't spam us with your PR, hyping your new release as 'better' or 'best' simply because you crammed a few more pixels into an already tiny image sensor. As any fule kno, <megapixels don't="" matter<="" a="">. Tell us how much faster your new product is at starting up, taking a second image, how much better it works in low light, or with moving subjects, or how quickly it can recharge the flash. Show us the money, not Megapixels"

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<prays to="" the="" mobile="" camera="" gods="">

.....

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

James Whatley — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:45:34 -0000

http://blog.se-nse.net/2008... - AH HA!

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

James Whatley — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:43:36 -0000

Yes.

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

Ewan — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:32:04 -0000

You want pictures of the device?

Re: Did you say 8.1 megapixel camera? Nice one Sony

James Whatley — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:31:00 -0000

Pics!!!